Tuesday, 22 November 2016

[Misc] 161122 Melon Music Award Telephone Conversation #2

(T/N: CCA = call center agent)

fan: It's regarding the Melon Music Awards.
CCA: Yes.
fan: I've seen other phone conversations and it seems like you (Melon) have your internal data.
CCA: Yes, that's the digital sales score.
CCA: Internal Data is the overall data collected from 2015 Nov 19th til 2016 Nov 18th. And the charts you've seen, those are just one of the many sides of the real-time chart.
CCA: The Internal Data referred by Melon is the total data collected during 1 year period. This includes real-time, weekly, monthly and the day to day album sales, etc. It's the total score.
fan: But if the artist didn't release any album during that one year period, it won't be counted, right?
CCA: That's right.
fan: We have calculated our own score for this award so what you're saying is that the data we see is absolutely different compared to the data considered by Melon?
CCA: No, we're looking at the same data. But the chart you've seen and the real-time- the data you've seen is what you see immediately after the artist release their album, right?
fan: I don't think that's right.
CCA: I think it's difficult for you to see the total data figure because that data is only available to Loen. I'm not sure how you've calculated the score/charts but whatever you've calculated is the scores from the chart.
CCA: But this is not the chart, we look at the data of- you know the number of times listened by the general public and not how many times their fans buy or stream the artist's songs. It's the overall digital score.
fan: Then you mean you won't reveal that data?
CCA: It's a fair internal data so it's not that we won't reveal the data. We can't reveal the data.
fan: Is there a reason why you can't reveal this data?
CCA: I think you are suspecting internal fabrication but as far as I can tell you, there is no corruption.
CCA: You can understand that BTS won the award because their songs were streamed more compared to EXO's during the one year period.
fan: You should convince us that this is true, firstly, the people who voted for this awards didn't vote for free, didn't we?
fan: They said we can vote 3 times by purchasing streaming passes and you (Melon) made us pay for them but if you refuse to reveal the (internal) data-
CCA: It's not that we refuse to reveal the data, please listen to me.
CCA: After EXO released their album, there were instances when their songs topped the charts immediately.
fan: I'm not considering those immediate moments when they top the chart- I mean, it's hard for the fans to understand this situation so as a customer who voted and used your service. You need to convince us to stop the fans from talking about this situation.
CCA: No. I tried to explain and convince you about this situation but you're the one that's not understanding.
CCA: As I've told you, during the 1 year BTS scored higher but you want to see the data related to this, am I right?
fan: Yes.
CCA: As for that, this data is the sum of all internal data so it's not that we refuse to reveal it, we just can't reveal this because it's our internal data.
fan: Why can't you reveal this?
CCA: It's I-N-T-E-R-N-A-L D-A-TA. I.N.T.E.R.N.A.L.
fan: What's the difference? Why can't you reveal this internal data?
fan: If this data has been organized, you can reveal it to us, right?
CCA: No, this isn't about being organized. It's enormous- this data includes every artist not only EXO, data that was collected during the course of 1 year, isn't that right?
fan: Yes. Go on.
CCA: So it's quite impossible for us to organize it individually. We award the artist according to the total score.
fan: Ok.
CCA: And BTS scored higher.
fan: Alright.
CCA: Thank you. This was Melon Customer Care, ***.


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[Misc] 161122 Telephone conversation with Melon



(Note: I didn't call them, you can check the original tweet and the audio from null_hxh on Twitter but I will keep this conversation as "me" because I think that's going to be easier to translate/read)



me: Can you please tell me why explaination for "internal data" keeps changing?
call center agent:  I think it's a misunderstanding because although we explain the same thing over and over again, it looks like the fans don't understand it well. Please allow me to explain again, internal data is the summing up of all artist' data from 2015 November 19th until 2016 November 18th. Now, it doesn't matter how many times the artist wins the 1st place during this one year period. The key points are- how many songs were sold and streamed/used. If you ask us "Why didn't EXO win the award when they won the first place more than BTS?", our answer is "the number of times the artist win on the chart is not the important factor. The artist gets a higher score if they stay longer on top 50 during the one year period and not how many times they win the 1st place.". Even when we explain this to the fans, they still want to check the internal data without trying to understand our (Melon) position so that is why they say we keep changing our words.

me: So you mean "internal data" = "external data"?
call center agent: Yes. The artist will get better scores if people listen and search them regualarly throughout 1 year than voting and streaming their songs for a month or two before the actual award. Internal data is the total of real time, weekly, monthly data.
The reason why we can't reveal our internal data is because we need to keep the record of all singers so we can't reveal it.

me: So if the award is delievered to an artist based on accurate information, you will not make changes?
call center agent: Yes. This happened to IU last year too but we give the award to the artist who scored the highest during the 1 year period.

me: You will not award again or reverse the winner? (asked again)
call center agent: Yes, we won't.

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[PANN] 161121 Reply from Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ



(T/N: Apparently some hater had sent a complaint to e-People/Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism. You will understand what e-People is by reading the below screenshot)

[Instiz] 161121 Idol who got caught on camera while singing wrong lyrics (feat. bts)



ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ look at Min Yoongi (Suga) laughing at him ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

It's BTS V


+) he was singing along to 10cm's song and the correct line was "봄이 그렇게도 좋냐 멍청이들아" (bom-ie geureutgaedo jotnya mungchungiedeulah/ Do you really like spring you fools?)
but Taehyung (V) sings "벚꽃이..." (butggotie.../ cherry blossoms) something instead of "봄이 그렇게도 좋냐..." and he stops for a moment, looks at the camera and smiles before turning his head!
Some said he didn't get the lyrics right so I'll post the link here, if you're busy please forward to 1:06~~♡♡
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsOMjJ3UfoQ&feature=youtu.be

Original post here
Response +153

1. I was wondering why he laughed and this was why ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

2. baby ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ omg he's so cute ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ

3. his side profile is so handsome
ㄴ of course, he looks great from front too... (commenter 3)
 ㄴ great from back too... (3)
  ㄴ head to toe... (3)
    ㄴ BEST! THE BEST!

4. I was really shocked when I watch the live broadcast because he's too handsome...ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

5.  ah he's so cute ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ I rewatch this part 1686195303196161386386060343times whenever I watch the BTS cut, Taehyung ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ and why is Min Yoongi so cute when he laughs ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ

6.
(gasps)
ㄴ the meme ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ oh god ㅋㅋㅋ I'll save this ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

7. Kim V is terrible at memorizing lyrics...
but I find that lovable too omg give me back my heart ㅠ

8. he's so cute ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ
ㄴ he's like Little Prince... he is Little Prince ㅠㅠ

9. sometimes when he's embarrassed ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ큐ㅠㅠ I love how his eyebrows bend down when he smiles it's cute and funny ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

10. (sobs) ㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜ he's too cute, isn't he? ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ I was hitting my desk and crying when I watched the live broadcast ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ his pretty eyes ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ

11. why are you glancing at the camera ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[PANN] 161121 Invasion by a normal person) Do they really deserve to be "criticized"?



Firstly, I don't belong to any fandom
But because posts about this topic filled 30 pages on Entertalk board
I tried searching on Twitter "멜론 항의" (Melon Protest) only because I was curious

and then I found

Complain to -> Melon's phone number

telephone inquiry: (phone number) (Weekdays 09:00 - 18:00, paid service)
email: (email address)

I just brought one tweet of the tweets that had many RTs
There were hundreds of tweets asking others to call Melon for clarification
This was the main idea
"BTS won the award but it's the result of Melon's fabrication"
We all know well that it's hard for the award to be re-awarded to another artist, this is very difficult
I even simply thought E*O fandom must be really depressed by this to make calls to Melon
But I think what they're doing right now is wrong

First of all, I will not link any posts that are on Best Talk Ranking because you can find them there
Their act of calling Melon right now merely as "fans of E*O" is an act of slighting an artist who has been in the field for 4 years and they're also ignoring tens of thousands of people who support the artist.

I was curious about BTS's thoughts after receiving the award so I went to watch their V App on Youtube
I was able to feel their gratitude to their fans and their confidence from the video
Now after watching and searching about them, I was curious about the meaning of "Album of the Year" award so I began to search BTS's album
"The members participated in making their music ever since their debut"
This was the most impressive part
HYYH series, Young Forever special album and WINGS
I couldn't find a single song that didn't have their name in it (as composer, lyricist)
I was able to realize how much they participated in making their albums and I understood how much thoughts of an artist were captured in their album
I heard that album sales weren't included in this year's Album of the year criteria
With only two words "votes" and "records/results"
I don't think it's fair to criticize, slander and say that they don't deserve the award
This applies to others as well not only BTS
I think they've crossed the line
They curse and refuse to accept the fact that another artist won the award and say they're going to give this award to their own artist?

This is the part where you can realize how scary anonymity can get
BTS is being slandered by people who don't even know about them because they had less numerical figures (votes)
and this goes to their fans as well
.

I'm grateful for learning about BTS by this opportunity
and I think they deserved this award because their album quality is very high
It's a good day because every singer's goal is to win a Daesag
This is an award that was accomplished by the fans' support and the artist's hard work
They say "After a storm comes a calm"
After this storm like moment, I wish BTS will become a stronger artist

I've come to the end of my post and
what I really wanted to tell you in my post was
"BTS is too valuable to be criticized by just numbers"
The people who slander and criticize right now will soon realize what they're doing is wrong
I thought it'd be better to post this on fantalk so here I am
BTS, congratulations for winning the Daesang.

Original post here
Response +358 -16


1. Eppis, I'm leaving this comment because many of you are reading this post, please spread this at the official cafe too. Do not call Melon. Right now they are trying their best to use us to get a feedback. They know they're going to ruin their artist's image if they call Melon alone so they're trying to drag us with them. Do not call Melon because our problem will solve when they call Melon themselves. They might pretend to be ARMYs but it's okay because if we spread this message to not call Melon on other sites including the official cafe, we will be able to catch the pretenders. We're collecting proves so Eppis, please don't be sad because it's not worth engaging with them. Do not try to get involved with their immature and thoughtless fans. Let's protect our boys smartly and calmly. +32 -0

2. Hello. As a person who got to learn about BTS like you, I completely agree with your words. I'm not a bit ashamed of my artist and I believe it's a blessing to join this fandom. I think BTS's value is still underrated. Fans will all understand. High talented and valuable they are. This makes it more frustrating ㅠㅠ anyway thank you very much for researching then  writing a post here and not letting them incite you. You post really comforts the Eppis here at fantalk +27 -0

3. thank you. Anyway, Eppis, they said they're going to create a mess on Best Talk ranking from afternoon today so please grab your mental. +26 -2
(this comment was posted on 11.21) 

4. "BTS is too valuable to be criticized by just numbers" thank you so much and thank you for not letting them incite you.. +7 -0

5. Thank you for the comforting words. Thank you for not letting them incite you and also for writing a post here on Fantalk +4 -0

[PANN] 161120 +) I'm sorry for writing this post at such time but I think Jimin's really great



I'm sorry for being a lurker but
I noticed their making video of their solo track so I watched the video after looking at the gifs
And he's awesome... you guys are just amazing, I think you should be proud of your singer

The flow of his dance is like an art
I'm trying to deny myself from joining the fandom but can you please give me some gifs of Jimin's Youtube videos?

+) what is this photo? I nearly choked while saving this
Is this really Jimin??




I joined the fandom...I watched the Perfect Man stage and Dope stage in Changwon? I watched them and
yeah... I'll go to fantalk now please don't kick me out and I hope you'll treat me well

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Response +533 -168

1. They say the killing point is his frowning face because it's heartbreaking yet sexy ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ It's heartbreaking to see him having a tough him but they say that's sexy too ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ come and enlist. You might face a bit of problem in your present life but the happiness our boys give you will be greater they're seriously so lovable. +121 -6

2. Melon Music Jimin ㅜㅜ +108 -6

3. Jimin is really hard on himself when it comes to dancing and singing ㅜ I support you for always working hard : ) BTS, let's fly higher! +105 -6

4. The class of the top student is different +37 -4

5. ...!!!! +31 -2

6. I'm from another fandom but ㅋㅋㅋ ahhh he keeps catching my eyes lately and this is a problem ㅋㅋㅋ he's cute yet sexy, I don't know what he wants me to do but I think I'm going to enlist quite soon... there's no point in refusing ㅜㅜㅠ +29 -1

7. Our Jimin... he's amazing.. +28 -0

8. Hello I'm Jimin and I will be attacking your heart from now +23 -1